Is evolution real?

[jonline]

Species - organisms that can sexually reproduce to make fertile offspring

 

What I don't get is how two of the same animal have to have the exact same mutation to change species. for example, if evolution was real two monkeys would have to be in the same place at the same time, mate and then produce fertile offspring. what are the chance of that, like one in a trillion?

[Dwight Breckenstein]

Yes. Mosquitoes came from flies.

[yrtea]

Philosophy, Politics, and Science,I believe the first and third. and i think the second one will be useful ,it's a tool

[Mokothemonkey]

yes, we have seen evolution happen, but if we came from monkeys, then why are there still just 'monkeys' and humans' you would think they would still be evolving and there would be an in-between monkeh-human roaming around

[Mooglefrooglian]

yes, we have seen evolution happen, but if we came from monkeys, then why are there still just 'monkeys' and humans' you would think they would still be evolving and there would be an in-between monkeh-human roaming around

 

We did not come from monkeys. We came from a form that evolved two seperate ways.

 

And the in between forms likely would have died off; evolution only causes a new trait to become widespread if it works well. If we evolved the way we did, its likely that our traits made us more fit than the other forms, causing us to become widespread, and thus allowing us to become prominent. Any in betweens would not have as many children, and so eventually die out.

 

The only thing that stops me from saying evolution is the best choice is that the whole land animal -> whale streches the limits of imagination. At some point there would have had to been offpsring that mutated to be unable to walk on land anymore; its parent would not stay in the water most likely, and it would die. It seems unfeasible no matter how I look at it.

 

Microevolution, such as small traits evolving, like butterflies changing color, makes sense, but large evolutions do not.

[lives4life]

I myself believe in evolution, but sometimes I have to wonder about the evolution of humans. Intelligence-wise, yes, it would be an environmental or physical advantage, yet I don't understand how or why humans evolved mentally to this level. When learning - especially anything beyond high school, I can't understand why any species would need to know how to build anything more complicated than the tools used for manual labor. I understand, at the moment, that at a certain point, a social ladder of some sort evolved from working together. From there, intelligence would probably be attractive to absolutely ensure survival.

 

I guess what I'm unsure about is this gap I have set in my mind: the gap between just having enough intelligence to have a slight edge against other animals and when intelligence became essential to survival. From my limited education regarding this, it was Cro-Magnons vs. the Neanderthals that would maybe instigate any mental evolution. Until I'm proven wrong by someone here, or until I crack a book open(HAHA), that will remain as my understanding of it.

[Wukl]

I think evolution is real. If there was an God or some sort of 'energy' then the whole world would be perfect. We are just very fragile piles of organs, and some (like the appendix) don't have any task. A god would not create such a thing. If I was a god, I would create perfect organisms. Evolution can't do that.

[avattz]

I think evolution exists, because I see mutations (the non-radioactive ones) happen which I believe is accelerated evolution.

[UnPhazeable]

"a scientific theory (also called an empirical theory) comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena."

 

Evolution is a scientific theory. Besides the fact that all of you creationists are utterly ignorant on the subject (monkey-to-human mumbo jumbo) all of you ignore the fact of what a scientific theory is.

 

Evolution is the accepted explanation for where humans have come from. If another scientific theory comes along that MAKES SENSE and is covered by more empirical data then that one will be the accepted explanation. For now, creationism or Intelligent Design will not replace evolution due to the fact that is a simple assumption based on faith and backed by crazy people while Evolution is a scientific theory based on reason and backed by empirical evidence.

 

Does that make sense?

 

Let me make something up for you.

 

A flying spaghetti monster along with the midget fought off the pirates and celebrated by creating the Earth. This explanation is much better than Evolution right? You be the judge.

[Infinaety]

It is actually proven that evolution is a real thing. To say that it doesn't would be the equivalent of saying that matter isn't made of atoms.

 

In my opinion, the only real question should be whether or not evolution was used in intelligent design. It is actually possible that such is the case given that it's very likely that something had to have created the universe if it started from the Big Bang.

[Graphologos]

Species - organisms that can sexually reproduce to make fertile offspring

 

What I don't get is how two of the same animal have to have the exact same mutation to change species. for example, if evolution was real two monkeys would have to be in the same place at the same time, mate and then produce fertile offspring. what are the chance of that, like one in a trillion?

 

There have to be many tiny mutations in order to get two different species. And the mutation/recombination of genes has to be 'useful' for the animal (in fact, every organism. So plants also evolve) in the environment in which it is living. Then the animal has perhaps a little bit more chance to produce offspring and to pass on his genes (and as a consequence to pass on his mutation).

 

Furthermore, isolation is also a condition to a new species. If the mutated genes are still being exchanged with the old ones, you aren't going to get two species. Only when two populations can evolve separately (in a different environment, so the definition of 'useful' is different for both), two new species will come to exist.

 

 

But yes, chances to get mutations, to get isolated, ... are very small (maybe not that small (one in a trillion), but I'm quite sure you can look up those figures). Chances to a 'useful' mutation are even smaller, but remember, they are selected.

 

 

 

For those who wouldn't see, I do believe in evolution. And I'm not really religious, but I wouldn't see why 'God' (or whoever you believe in) would be to 'blame' if he didn't create all organisms or even why this contests the existence of God. Evolution is just another wonder of nature to me...

[subwhiz]

everything was created on Gods purpose. the heavens has tons of wisdom that man cannot fathom

[ASL]

Yea I agree, it's real

[bigflute]

I believe that evolution is real.

[arjentm]

I'm probably going to get flak, but what the heck.

 

Personally I don't think either is wholly true. I think Darwinism has been pulled out of context way too much by eugenics. Darwin himself focussed on the animal kingdom; not so much on humans.

It was Galton who further pushed and popularized the idea of social Darwinism and eugenics. I find it much more likely that most if not all things were created at a certain time and "evolved" more in a way of adaptation; nature tends to balance itself out. Humans do not. So when it comes to the topic of evolution, I get distracted by eugenics and all the evil plot twists behind it. (Wanting to make the standard an uber mensch, disallowing people with certain negative genetic traits to reproduce, etc- most of today's Darwinian theories were worked out in Nazi Germany- creepily enough like most of the 'advanced' tech of the 50's. xD)

 

I find it MUCH more likely that humans were created as described on Sumerian tablets. Even though there are even older pre-Sanskrit writings found now; a lot of information we haven't known up until this century was already known then and can be found on those Sumerian tablets, including depictions of our entire solar system, and stories about human creation. The Sumerians talked about a highly advanced race that genetically engineered humans as slaves and pretty much trapped us in our mind construct. That last part sounds pretty self-evident to me, looking around at my fellow humans.

 

So, to stop babbling incoherantly and answer the topic question; I don't think evolution is real. I think it's more likely that we 'evolve'/adjust as programmed in our DNA.

I also don't think "Religion" is real. "Love the almighty god!" - Or he'll smite you... Right. ;] Religion feels like just another control method, just like how we use money in our current day society.

 

Humans are effing dumb, savage, a-holes. A baby gets born into this world, not with unalienable rights to love, housing, food and care; if you don't have money; you don't have the right to live.

 

I'm ashamed to be human.

 

 

Edit;

I also think there is an unjust 'split' between religion/science/spiritualism. Science doesn't know jack [bleeped!] yet; it's still called theories for the reason of there still not being [enough] conclusive evidence.

There is a LACK of empathy in the world PARTLY (in my opinion, of course) because of this split. People are split between science and religion, and tons of sub groups. The same with extremist Muslims being called Terrorists and creating an even bigger worldwide split between subgroups of people and half of America (sigh, dummy muppets) running around beating up Middle Eastern people and telling "those sandn!ggers to eff off"...

 

I just wish more people would see how the world is being played by constant distractions, stimulation and the feeeeeeeeding of propaganda. Cultural Capitalism... Grrrrr... "Democracy", Grrrrr.

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